Photo from Alonnisos, Greece by Rory Collins.

 
Aedgar's words are written like this.

Nel and Verena's words are written this way.

Nel: [To Verena] I’m curious about your past lives with Freddy, your other lifetimes. Are you curious about your other lifetimes with him?

Verena: Yeah.

Greek islands. What you would call the Greek Islands.

Verena: Greek islands? Chia?

South. In the south of these islands. Not the northern part, south. South, in the country that you call Greece, now.
You’ve been on boats. He was teaching you how to operate boats: how you move a boat against the wind, if you’ve got only sails. Very much in love, both of you.
He got killed by crocodiles. [With disgust] You had to watch it.
They had these, kind of, priests there that got crocodiles from across the water—in what you call Egypt now. If the priests thought someone was behaving badly, or someone was having a different opinion, they were sentenced to death.
 ' Objicĕre bestiis ', devoured by beasts. Painting (1879) by  Vasiliy Polenov : 'Caesar's Delight'.

'Objicĕre bestiis', devoured by beasts. Painting (1879) by Vasiliy Polenov: 'Caesar's Delight'.

They had things like pools. People were pushed in with their hands tied. And they had crocodiles going into the water that were starved for months. You understand?

Verena: Yes.

So, he had a strange attraction to those animals. It was a feeling that there would be something like payback, one day.
‘I don’t fear you. You might have killed me in that lifetime, but I don’t fear you anymore. I can be part of you,’ the crocodile. ‘And I can make you do what I wanna do. You are going in the direction I wanna go. You eat the fish that I want you to have. Because I can use you as a vehicle.’

Nel: So he felt that way in this lifetime because there was that—

Always.

Nel: He always felt that way—

Always, in other lifetimes, afterwards.

Nel: What gender was Verena in that life in the Greek Islands?

A woman. Woman and man. He annoyed one of the priests.
He was trying to tell them that there is a bigger world out there. And he told others in the area, too, that there is a much bigger world out there.
‘Don’t trust these people. They don’t know what they talk about. They pretend they’re so powerful because you can’t read and they can read. But they tell you whatever they like because you have no way of proving it.’
So he needed to be eliminated in a spectacular way. He always had spectacular ways to leave the stage. Because it’s always been a stage. He likes to perform. Do you understand?
 The world's a stage. Photo by  Maelle Ramsey .

The world's a stage. Photo by Maelle Ramsey.

Verena: [Softly] Yeah. Do I meet him again?

Well, he’s planning to.

Nel: [Laughing] It’s up to you Verena.

He’s making plans for you two already. It’s up to you, if you want to meet him again.

Yes.

Nel: Of course, you do.

You can choose a more suitable moment, when you both have had the experiences you wanted to have before you meet. You can have an even greater companionship; to go together and learn. It’s all about learning, through experiences. Raising the energy, you know? You understand, my dear?
We thought so.
Oh, there was another interesting life on a Spanish island.
Illegal alcohol, great business. You’ve been together as two brothers. You sold it as medicine. It was very well received and loved. It was a very potent cocktail of herbs and plenty of alcohol.
Great businessmen, you were, ruling the island with alcohol. Pardon, ‘medicine’.

Nel: [Laughs]

What’s so funny about that?

Nel: It’s a great story.

I think it might have been a great taste.

Nel: Mmmm.

 Spanish Alcohol, no longer forbidden. Bar in Madrid by  Maia Eli.

Spanish Alcohol, no longer forbidden. Bar in Madrid by Maia Eli.

Maybe, 1700’s. Selling alcohol medicine in the 1700’s on a Spanish Island. It was not called Spain then. That island was not part of it.

Nel: Might have been part of England then.

No. Rome.

Nel: 1700’s, Rome?

Yes. It had roots with the Romans. The Spanish would have loved to have it.
They had problems in the Mediterranean. They wanted to have it on the African side—the continent of Africa. French people wanted to have it and the northern part of Spain wanted to have it. You call it now the northern part of Spain. It was all different tribes then.
 

Pause.

Nel: But Verena and Freddy were having a good life, selling medicine and staying out of politics.

Very wealthy. Wealthy—lots of business, lots of fun. Lots of work, too. Especially the work of covering up because it wasn’t really—what you would call ‘legal’ today.
You would have had to give a big share to the people that ruled the place. You two did not appreciate that. You thought, ‘Why should we give it to them? They didn’t do any work.’
You killed one of them.
You tried to bribe that person with the alcohol. And then he came back again and wanted more. He came back again and wanted more. So you gave him more and then you hit him on the head.

Nel: [Laughs]

Verena: What a life! So, I’m—

Rough. And honest. Even if others thought it was not legal, at that time. You thought your industry was very honest, both of you. You did the work. Everything: you created it. So why should anyone get anything out of it, if they would not pay for it?
And then, it was medicine after all.

Nel: [Laughing] You were healing the world.

Yes. Of course.

Verena: So, we will get another life together, we two?

Yes. We are quite certain about that. Sometimes we can’t tell, but in this case, we are quite certain.

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