Photo by Drew Coffman.

M'Hoq Toq's voice is written like this.

Colleen & Nerida's voices are written this way.


How has it been going?

Colleen: Interesting.

Nerida:  Yeah. We’ve just been talking about learning to observe the waves, the cycles of —


N:  — human dramas.

C: And not letting if affect us. Not letting it —

Human dramas. Hmm. This sounds very constructive. That’s what it is. Most dramas are created by the people themselves, for various reasons:

To learn something — which is a good reason

To entertain themselves, which is not always a good reason

[Exhales deeply]

To harm someone, which can be quite an experience for both sides at times. Even if the one that creates it thinks it’s only going to affect the other side.

'There's always a bit of fun, entertainment or damage to both sides.' Photo by  Mattheus Ferrero

'There's always a bit of fun, entertainment or damage to both sides.' Photo by Mattheus Ferrero

There is always a bit of fun, entertainment or damage to both sides of these creations. That’s what the people who create it forget about.

C: How do you —


C: In your own life, how do you decide what’s a drama that needs to happen, that’s good -- to learn, and what’s a drama happening for other reasons? How do you recognise that within yourself, if you’re the person causing the whole drama?

It is created by intention.

You have the intention to damage or hurt someone, or you have the intention to entertain or educate.

So, it’s not about saying ‘I am going to show this person. That’s what I’m going to do.’ It’s about having the thought, at times. ‘I wish I could punish this person. I wish I could educate this person. And when the time is ripe, it’s going to unfold'.

The time needs to be ripe for the experience to unfold. Sometimes there are some steps ahead of it, things that need to be learned, before the real thing is going to happen.

But, what you call time, the kind of schedule around it — you don’t have much influence on that.

There needs to be input from the other side as well.
‘I’m going to punish you!’
And, it’s a bit like, ‘Just give it to me. I’m ready for it.’

'Just give it to me. I'm ready for it.' Photo by  Andrew Neal .

'Just give it to me. I'm ready for it.' Photo by Andrew Neal.

Something like this comes from the other side, as well.

Do you understand?

Colleen: Yes.

Nerida: There’s a cooperative arrangement between souls —


N: — when a learning experience like this happens.


N: The one who is going to learn needs to be ready to learn.


Sometimes, it’s not the case. Then it will take a few steps more.

The intention was there in the first place. But, for it to happen, the way it needs to happen, you’ll have more factors coming into play.

From the other side, you’ll have direct interference. And sometimes from the sidelines there’ll be a push as well, to make it happen.

N: From another soul who wants to be part of it?

From another soul or even a group.

N: Hmm.

It’s not that one person, one soul, decides, ‘I’m going to teach this one, right now.’ This is not how it works. That is wishful thinking.

N: Groups of souls, on another level, make these sort of arrangements. We do —


N: When we’re asleep?

Oh, or when you’re awake. It doesn’t mean that you are thinking about it right now, but the intention is there.

Human creation. Photo by  Igor Ovsyannykov .

Human creation. Photo by Igor Ovsyannykov.

Sometimes the intention is there for a long time already and you don’t necessarily realise that it’s going to happen now. That’s the factor you don’t have too much influence on. It would not work if there was not some input (as you might call it) coming from the other souls, as well.

N: Hmm. It’s like weaving a pattern —


N: From several different directions.

Yes. Sometimes it’s two directions: the one pushing and the one opposite.