Fan of Light photo by Sebastian Kanczok.


M'Hoq Toq's words are written like this.

Nerida and Colleen's words are written this way.


Nerida: So participating in a conflict or drama is like weaving a pattern —


N: From several different directions.

Yes. Sometimes it’s two directions: the one pushing and the one opposite. Sometimes it takes much more.

Do you understand?

N: I think I’m beginning to!

Colleen: Yeah.

N: It’s a big concept for us.

We thought you might be ready for it.

N: Yes.

Sometimes to start something needs just a tiny bit of a — you can’t even call it a push. You ignite something by the tiniest spark sometimes and then it starts to unfold. That means: you allow it to happen.

The tiniest spark allows it to begin. Photo by  Jakob Owens .

The tiniest spark allows it to begin. Photo by Jakob Owens.

You ignite this with a tiny spark somewhere that makes it all ready to go.

A person, for example, thinks, ‘I am going to do something really bad for you, so you will understand. And you will have, from what I’m doing to you, almost physical damage.’

But the person on the other hand — opposite direction or even on the sidelines — might think, ‘Oh, finally, it’s happening. You might think you give me pain or suffering by punishing me.

'But it is actually about yourself, to learn about something. You have not learned it, so far. And it’s about time for it to happen.’

By reacting to -- or interacting with -- this person, you might offer this soul a whole new perspective on something. They might have the insight: ‘I’m going to punish you. I’ve punished you before. I’m going to do it again. Because you did not understand.’

And then, you’ll have the reaction: ‘It was never about me. It’s about you. You did not understand and you still act in the same pattern.’

From the shape it could be a spider web, because it goes in all directions. Pic by  Adine Voicu .

From the shape it could be a spider web, because it goes in all directions. Pic by Adine Voicu.

You could call it something like a spider web — you might give it a different shape, you might give it less or more density.

We would not call it a spider web. From the shape it could be, because it goes to all directions. But we would say it’s a bit like a safety net.

The more dense, the more stable it is — the more safety it provides. Because that means: ‘I went through all of these points. I left a path behind, like a spider, you know? And this demonstrates that I have learnt these things.’

So, if someone, at a later stage, thinks, ‘I’m going to punish this person again,’ the opposite side can say, ‘I’ve done this before. This is my safety net. You’re still trying to do the same things. That means you are the part of the pattern that’s missing.’

So to make everybody else feel safer, that person's learning needs to happen at some stage because that’s what gives the safety net stability.

Did we lose you there?

Colleen: No, I was thinking —

Too abstract?

C: No.


C: I was thinking. I was actually applying it to my own life. That’s one of the lessons that I need to learn in my work environment — not to cause that drama. You’re helping me to learn when is the right time that I need to do that. From my conversations with you and Aedgar, I know I need to learn.

At some stage there are things — if you want to evolve for future lives, whatever you decide to do — you need to go through these steps.

You need to learn them to make your safety net more stable. If you go away from that learning, you have to come back to it at a different stage. You understand?

C: Yes.

It’s as if you had a drawing that connects points. If you go away from the outline, say, made a shortcut, these points stay unconnected. [Describes the points and the shortcut with Marie’s hands]

That would create something like a gap in your safety net.

Nerida: Hmm. Interesting image. So these patterns that we make — this safety net —

In our reality, it’s not a safety net. I just thought it might be easier for you to understand.

N: I understand. It’s a spider web or a safety net or something that we’re weaving —

And it’s got more than two or three dimensions, my friends.

N: Yes. This is about our experience creating reality.


N: And parts that we’ve learned become quite strong, so that if we’re exposed to that learning again we have something energetic — like a piece of silk — that we’ve created.


N: And we can rely on that.

Silk threads. Photograph by  Terri Bleeker .

Silk threads. Photograph by Terri Bleeker.

Very thin and very strong.

If you use the idea of silk that is very thin and very strong, this can mean: if you react to something, you don’t have to use brute force to make it work.

If someone tries to impose brute force on you, just let it bounce back without adding something to it. The distance and the speed of it bouncing back to that person will have a much bigger impact. That’s a different kind of physics, that’s misunderstood in these times you’re living in.

N: This is partly about learning to use our energy and our creativity in a more subtle way, which does no harm for us and other people can still learn around us, without us causing ourselves damage.

Yes. And if you’re open to suggestions from every angle you might get help to understand how this whole thing is going to affect you and how you can make it bounce back faster — without adding anything to it.

You just get the bigger picture. And once you have the bigger picture and you make it bounce back, it will hit the opposite side with full force because they don’t have the bigger picture. When there is more knowledge involved, it gives energy and power to your response.

You understand?

N: Yes, I do. And I’m curious.

Well, if you talk to someone who has more insights and knowledge from other sides as well, then you get something reflected back at yourself that feels so much stronger. You might think it feels wrong.

But it was just reflected to you with some more (as you might call them) 'facts'.

You think, ‘Oh, this person is very dumb, very violent, very intelligent’ — all these sorts of things. Which is not quite true. You would just get something bounced back at you that has some other knowledge you didn’t have (at that stage) added to it.

Do you understand?

N: Yes, I do. I’ll have to think about it a while.

It is a little bit abstract.

N: Yeah. I don’t mind abstract.



Is there anything else my friends? Or, are you in deep thoughts at the moment?

N: I was enjoying kind of a pattern I had painted in my mind, from what you said.

Hmm. You are into drawing patterns, I can see that. You could use it a bit better.

Patterns of a Rajasthani quilt. Photograph by  Igor Ovsyannykov .

Patterns of a Rajasthani quilt. Photograph by Igor Ovsyannykov.

N: Okay. I’ll do more of it.

Some people tend to draw these little patterns while they think or talk. It helps them understand a bigger picture. You could get the input of what someone tells you and you get the understanding by drawing the patterns at the same time.

Some people’s brains work like that.

Some animals have — because some of them can’t draw — you talk to them and they run in circles while you talk to them. That’s their way of understanding what you want from them.

Some animals run around even faster in circles because it clears their mind. They might have been human before. And then they run in these circles and it’s like, ‘Oh, my mind is all clear now. I never thought I would understand that path.’ Because different brains work differently.

We would not suggest, for example, to a person who has never done this before, to draw patterns. We can see through the energy of the brain, if this is something they’ve used before to make them better understand the bigger picture.

Starting to make patterns, if your brain is not 'wired' that way, would not give you the bigger picture. You’d need a different way of doing it — sitting quietly in a corner not doing anything.

N: [Smiling] I have a colleague who runs in circles. It’s what she likes to do.

Hmm. It’s mainly something that animals do. It’s not a very human thing. It means the brain is wired in a bit of a weird way.

Nerida and Colleen laugh.

N: Thank you. You give us such consolation.

What, my friend?

N: It’s all alright.

Hmm. We’re glad that we gave you some enlightenment here.

N: Yes.